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Robert Moses (democrat point)
USA, North East, Long Island NY
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Latitude: 40° 37.217' N |
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go to robert moses field 2 and walk west along the shore for about 3/4 of a mile and youll hit it DistanceDay trip WalkGood walk (15-30 mn) Easy to find?Easy to find Public access?Public access Special access4x4 |
Surf Spot Characteristics
Alternative name demon break
Surf Spot Quality
Wave qualityRegional Classic
ExperienceExperienced surfers
FrequencyRegular
Wave
TypePoint-break
DirectionLeft
BottomSandy with rock
PowerPowerful, Fun
Normal lengthShort (< 50m)
Good day lengthNormal (50 to 150m)
Tide, Swell and Wind
Good swell directionSouth, SouthEast
Good wind directionNorth, NorthEast
Swell sizeStarts working at 1.0m-1.5m / 3ft-5ft and holds up to 2.5m+ / 8ft+
Best tide positionMid tide
Best tide movementFalling tide
More details
Week crowdFew surfers
Week-end crowdCrowded
Dangers
- Rips / undertow
- Rocks
Additional Information
always cut left otherwise you risk crashing on the rocks
Tide really makes this a tough place to surf, outgoing tide creates massive and strong rip that keep you constantly paddling, while incoming tides continually push you towrds the impact zone, not a good place to get caught inside on a big day, very hard go get back out if you get stuck in the impact zone. Best bet on a epic big day is to walk back down the point and hop into the channel/rip which will carry you back to the takeoff zone for another epic ride.
If you catch Demo on a classic day you can compare it to any world class point break, but those day only occur a few days a year.
Atmosphere
i find that when your getting weak swells at field 5 and field 4 demon break is usually a good bet for some fun waves and when the swells are good at field 5 and field 4 the waves are exceptional at demon break
Its a little creepy surfing the place alone on a big winter swell, great place but know your limits, if you're experienced in bigger swells a dont even attempt to surf it on a big swell because you will take a beating, ive taken 2-3 wave holddowns on big days.
Also at really low tide and a decent swell the wave gets really hollow but breaks in super swallow water, great time to get barrels but also an easy way to get hurt or eat a facefull of sand.
General
its great the only trouble is it accesibilty
TURNS ON during mid period overhead SE/SSE Hurricane swells with offshore winds, no better place to be, back of point rarly closes out also.
Author: Chris Golden Contributors (3)
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Robert moses democrat point |
Robert moses democrat point |
Robert moses democrat point |
Robert moses democrat point |
Comments
By fishrider , 03-11-2010
Hurricanes Filled Demo with Sand - I was going down to Demo at least once a week.
This Spring/Summer, Demo was off the hook. Some of the best lefts you will ever find. Nice Hollow peaks but not any more.
Hurricane Ike BURIED it in sand. The sandbar became a beach. At least 4' of sand deposited for a minimum of 300 yards.....crazy. Now the Fisherman just park right on top of where we surfed.
Now it is your typical beach break.
Hopefully, this winter it will clean itself out again but for now......it's not worth the walk!
By Anonymous , 17-11-2008
Super fun - If this wave was in Long beach or just easier to get to it could honestly be one of the best left breaks on the East coast.. If you get the right swell it can break for over ah hundred yards ... The first time i was ever there it broke about stomach chest and it was pretty epic ..Super fun waveif your a goofy
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By Anonymous , 30-12-2011
demo - Demo is nice break.... probably one of the best lefts on the island. Nothing beats it , not just the wave but the location...... the causway is the only means of getting there by car and once your at field 2 you ethier have to 4x4 (and hope you dont get a ticket) or walk a mile west to the spot. because of all of this it cuts down the crowd SOOOOO much. the maxx people ive ever seen there was 17 guys(which is a little crowded for demo cuz of the small takeoff zone) and thats only because it was the weekend and all of the weekend warriors got up early to surf it . in the dead of winter on A weekday you can surf it all by yourself sometimes because only people on the bordering towns of the the causway are really gonna be able to make it down there which is really only people who live in west islip( If your lucky like me) or mabye bablyon or bayshore. Think about it... if this spot was in long beach or MTK there would be every surfer on that side of the island there..... the only time it ever gets remotely crowded is the summer because of the acceibility, boating, the more hours in a day, and some of the field2 lifeguards who will hit it up on there break. Demo is no secret everyone knows about it and you can go ahead and tell anyone who does not no about it. IT does not change anything... the crowds wont get worse and most of you wont make the walk, wont risk getting a ticket, or just flat out cant make it down here. the vibes are usually good here and there really isnt that much localism because when people who usually dont come here come here its only a couple of people and no one really gives a shit.. shure people will get pissed if you come there with 20 guys from long beach but other than that its a great break with a mellow vibe and the best part is there wont be any city or LB kooks there =D. Happy surfing