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Re:Wannasurf - the Great Satan of surfing! - 2007/05/10 09:57 This is now getting hilarious.

An arguement over who should and should not be a surfer. The next thing you'll be telling me is your dad is bigger than my dad. All the bitching about surf companies and money etc what a joke. If you hadn't realised you've subscribed to everything that is commercialism by being on the internet, buying a surfboard, a wetsuit, driving a motorcar shopping for food in a shop - its call a society. Its bad enough when governments act like nanny states we don't need narrow mind community site members telling us how to conduct ourselves. If wannasurf is sooooooo bad remove yourself from the community.

I here that the skeleton coast in Namibia has some excellent uncrowded breaks, perhaps you could get a loincloth, grow your own food and fashion a surfboard out of natural materials and get away from the awful society that the rest of us are just spoiling for you.

Personally I'm happy to meet my friends at the beach, ride my surftech boards and go on holiday to visit other cultures and broaden my horizons.
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Re:Wannasurf - the Great Satan of surfing! - 2007/05/10 15:17 Uff...it seems like this topic will never die...

The truth is, some people should surf, and some people shouldn't.

Marcus, is it you who we should ask for permission to surf? Who are you to say such kind of things?...

I elaborated on this topic before and donwanna repeat myself again..The only thing I'll always insist on is that EVERYBODY on the Earth deserves to enjoy surfing...and everybody is free to share his stoke if he desires to do so...

Do you really think that beginners ("I-surf-three-times-a-summer ..etc.." - and I'm actually this kind of surfer...) are looking for secret spots to surf???I can assure you that nobody without relevant experience will dare to surf an aunknown spot. So relax man...

Well, despite your post sounds quite offending...I could understand your feelings if you were exploring new/secret spots, which were getting crowded by beginners and "wobble-knees stink-buggers" and that pissed you off...but you're not... and I wonder how many "secret" spots have you surfed to say such things...

Anyway, wish you to surf only UNCROWDED spots...enjoy being A SURFER....I suppose you SHOULD SURF and really deserve it...
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Re:Wannasurf - the Great Satan of surfing! - 2007/05/11 04:56 Heh, I knew I would draw a lot of heat for my comments, but that's okay. I think I've flamed people who told me the same thing years ago. Truth be told, my first few years surfing I was all about free love and information. I thought all the world's problems could be solved if everyone would just mellow out and surf. However, now that I've been at it for a while, my opinion has matured and now I realize that there's an ugly side to surfing, just like any sport. So let's talk about it instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

Admin:
Look at the last few editions of any surfing magazine or DVD... Yemen, India, Russia, Hebredies, China, South Atlantic Islands, Iran... you name it, its there. You've got to pay for it though. The SIC only fools you into thinking they care... what about "The Search" and "The Crossing" - oh, they don't give you Lat and Long, and they talk the talk.... but always with enough juicy photos and hints to blow all these places wide open... Why - to sell more shorts. fyi - wannasurf is not hosted by the SIC - just me and a friend, doing it in our spare time. Really. Why? because many surfers enjoy travel and enjoy sharing the stoke. ALL the data comes from our users, and hundreds of thousands of users who do think that its OK to share information (even if they are not all "hardcore", and don't even deserve to be surfers....oh wait a minute, that sounds a bit facist doesn't it?)
Admin, nice to see a balanced attitude. I'm not sure I entirely trust you, as I've heard that wannasurf was recently bought by "Surfer", but I hope you're telling the truth. I don't think wannasurf is so terrible, since--as I've said--most of the directions are obscure at best, and just plain wrong most of the time--at least for lesser-known breaks. However, I'm not about to contribute to crowding at some of my favorite places and post a new spot anytime soon.


Here's a question for you - what is a secret spot? I mean, how many people can know about it before it is no longer secret? I have my answer, but I'm curious about yours.

A secret spot (to me) is a spot with no webcam that will be empty on a normal day of poor/fair surf due to lack of buzz about it also possibly coupled with difficult access or the fact that it requires specific conditions to be worth surfing. County Line has a webcam and always has bodies in the water regardless of how piss-poor conditions sometimes get. Nearby ***v**s has no webcam, is a significant hike from the nearest parking, isn't visible from the road, and is often empty on weekday mornings unlesss it's firing. You can run your mouth about Clowney all day if you want, but you should be more circumspect when you talk about your epic session yesterday at ***v**s. Generally spots that aren't mentioned on surfline or wannasurf I would also consider "secret" or at least "protected."

surfguy888

An arguement over who should and should not be a surfer. The next thing you'll be telling me is your dad is bigger than my dad. All the bitching about surf companies and money etc what a joke. If you hadn't realised you've subscribed to everything that is commercialism by being on the internet, buying a surfboard, a wetsuit, driving a motorcar shopping for food in a shop - its call a society. Its bad enough when governments act like nanny states we don't need narrow mind community site members telling us how to conduct ourselves. If wannasurf is sooooooo bad remove yourself from the community.
I see I've touched a nerve. I should've added an "In My Opinion" before saying someone should not surf simply because they want to monkey the image of a surfer delivered to them by the SIC and associated media. You absolutely have every right to do whatever you want for whatever reason so long as you do not willfully hurt another human being. As Offspring told us, "the world needs wannabe's."

Well, if you want to make this personal, I'd counter that I purchase my boards from local shapers here on the US West coast (and one from Austrailia) and not from Ron Jons-style retailers marketing mass-produced boards from factories in inland China. Unfortunately, I don't have that option with wetsuits, but I would if I could. I have to admit that I purchase mass-produced Ripcurl products, but I do buy them from the outlet where they sell production samples closer to at cost, so I could argue that my support of Ripcurl is minimal. I actually ride a bicycle rather than drive a car and make an effort to buy my groceries from local growers. Groceries and internet useage are really incidental to this discussion, so I don't think you have a valid point there.
Besides, I can't leave wannasurf. I need directions to Malibu.


I here that the skeleton coast in Namibia has some excellent uncrowded breaks, perhaps you could get a loincloth, grow your own food and fashion a surfboard out of natural materials and get away from the awful society that the rest of us are just spoiling for you.

Wouldn't it be a better idea that we all make an effort not to destroy the natural resources we have, rather than require those who want to preserve nature and soulful sports like surfing having to move somewhere remote and inhospitable? Studies show that only a minor reduction in our self-indulgent consumerism could do wonders for preventing climate change and degradation. Likewise, supporting your local shaper, not naming spots online, and surfing only popular named breaks when you want to vanpool to the beach with 5 of your "brahs" could do wonders to preserve the sanctity of secret spots for those with the skill and maturity to enjoy them without spoiling them.
Besides, I'm scared of lions and loincloths chafe.

Personally I'm happy to meet my friends at the beach, ride my surftech boards and go on holiday to visit other cultures and broaden my horizons.
Good for you. Try observing how some other cultures make an effort to preserve their environment, live in harmony with nature, and respect established traditions (like not blabbing about secret spots) while you're on holiday. I think you'll find it very horizon-broadening.

Vita:

Marcus, is it you who we should ask for permission to surf? Who are you to say such kind of things?...
Don't ask me, I'm just a lidder with a dumb opinion who surfs sometimes. You should ask yourself WHY you want to surf and you should consider whether you can justify surfing. It's a personal question because it is about personal responsibility. If you live 60 miles inland, drive a 12mpg hummer to the beach to ride your surftech popout in your billabong boardshorts, at a secret spot you read about online, where you take digital photos afterward, and post them on the internet simply because you want to prove to all your e-friends what a hardcore surfer dude/girl you are, maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities.
If you surf for the love of it, then by all means, surf your brains out. I suggest you make an effort to reduce the environmental impact of your sport (move closer to the beach, drive a hybrid, support local shapers, etc.)

I elaborated on this topic before and donwanna repeat myself again..The only thing I'll always insist on is that EVERYBODY on the Earth deserves to enjoy surfing...and everybody is free to share his stoke if he desires to do so...
If everybody on Earth surfed, nobody would get any waves and coastal sea life would be decimated. Especially if any significant number of people used PWCs or boats. That's why some people shouldn't surf. The majority of people who shouldn't, don't. They live in Kansas and go indoor rock climbing or skydiving or something. But a minority of people who shouldn't, do. The SIC seeks to increase that minority through media campaigns which glorify surfing like a consumer instead of like a conservationalist.

Do you really think that beginners ("I-surf-three-times-a-summer ..etc.." - and I'm actually this kind of surfer...) are looking for secret spots to surf???I can assure you that nobody without relevant experience will dare to surf an aunknown spot. So relax man...
No I don't. Sorry if I insulted you. I have no problem with you when I happen to go to C-street or similiar breaks and expect to deal with crowds of beginners. In fact, if you happen to discover ***v**s and you are having trouble reading the break, that's cool too. I'll smile and give you some hints on how to surf the spot well if you ask. Just please don't bring a carload of beginner or aggro friends and then post photos and directions on the internet after you go home. Discover these spots on your own in the traditional way--explore, ask locals, make friends, have them show you.


Well, despite your post sounds quite offending...I could understand your feelings if you were exploring new/secret spots, which were getting crowded by beginners and "wobble-knees stink-buggers" and that pissed you off...but you're not... and I wonder how many "secret" spots have you surfed to say such things...

I've surfed 18 spots in two regions I would consider "secret" or "protected" by what I posted above. 10 of those I found on my own (before the advent of internet-informing). 7 were shown to me by locals I befriended. 1 I was taken to blindfolded on the way in and out, though I managed to re-discover it on my own later after 3 or 4 tries. There is 1 additional spot that I know of but do not surf out of respect for the locals and recognition that my abilities are not a good match for the spot. Plus it doesn't hold a crowd well.

One non-secret (but secluded) spot recently gained additional internet exposure when the parks department installed a webcam. Within a month, crowds went from 2-5 guys to 10-20 guys. The original 5 could surf, the additional 15 were pretty clueless and just tended to get in the way. Same time of day, same conditions. When the camera was offline for a month, crowds went back down to 5-7.

Honestly, other than the example above, I have no problem with crowds. I usually surf alone or in a small crowd of 4-5 regulars at fairly well-known spots thanks to when and where I surf. However, when it gets good and surfline/wetsand/local news starts hyping up incoming swells, things get crowded and aggro with a lot of the 3-4 times/year people who either:
1. Think they're in a competition and need to snake everyone.
2. Think they're entitled to surf whenever, however, and wherever they please (meaning they paddle out and plant themselves on the peak with no regard to the lineup or how the place works).
3. Are in way over their heads and are a danger to everyone.
When generally they can't surf for beans anyway. These are the times I disappear to my "secret spots" leaving a crowd of 150 flailing bodies to beat each other to a pulp over substandard waves at well-known spots. I want secrets kept secret to keep those hundred bodies at those popular spots and not expose the hidden breaks, where I and a handful of other regulars can make the most of good swells without all the BS of heavy crowds or aggressive newcomers. I want people to find these spots by "paying their dues", rather than just googling them and showing up with the wrong skills, wrong equipment, and entitled attitude.

There, enjoy the book I wrote you?
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Re:Wannasurf - the Great Satan of surfing! - 2007/05/11 06:24 Great thread! thats quite an essay there marcus!

I just heard that the crowds are going to get a lot worse as quikdollar end ripoff focus their marketing machine on the new "growth" market of China. a billion new wannabes.

As the old french song went...
"un milliard de chinois, et moi et moi et moi?"

just kidding, but don't blame wannasurf.

more seriously, one of the cool things about info sites and guide books etc is that when you head to a new place, you've probably only ever heard of the Mundakas, and J-Bays (which are 5 star but crowded as hell...) - look it upon wannasurf and you find nearby breaks which are maybe only 2 or 3 star, but more mellow and fun (and theres a chance you'll get a wave). Should actually spread out the crowds, not increase them.

well, thats my 2 cents worth. Love, peace and hybrids !
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Re:Wannasurf - the Great Satan of surfing! - 2007/05/11 09:05 Oh dear someone is upset.

I can't be arsed replying to all the points raised. Otherwise old chap I will not have time to go surfing.

Cheerio I believe it might just be picking at my local break.

Best wishes.
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Re:Wannasurf - the Great Satan of surfing! - 2007/05/11 17:10 2 Marcus

Thanks for the book...I see, You've put a lot of time and efforts to it
Despite I still disagree with you on some points, but I'd like to apologies for my post, which was probably a bit agressive...I mean I haven't changed my mind, but your thoughts are now seem reasonable and I can see your point of you which I respect but do not share completely.

Anyways, dont bother to write so long posts...Really, go surfing ...and tell us more about ***v**s ))

p.s. I know that you didnt mean that...but just fyi...unfortunately I live far more than 60 miles inland )) and do not drive a 12mpg hummer...never had billabong boardshorts, and all digital photos I took from the world-known, not "secret" spots, which I personally surfed...Well, there is no need for me to prove to all my e-friends what a hardcore surfer girl I am...)) 'cos I'm not...however, not that bad

Peace, man...
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